A reader linked to this article and this article, both of which attempted to argue against Rushton’s analysis on race and r/K Selection Theory:
Rushton’s use of this ‘simple model’—the r/K continuum—and its application to human races are wrong because 1) the three races described are not local populations; 2) the r/K continuum as described by Pianka (1970) is a poor representation of multidimensional ecological processes; and 3) cold weather is normally an agent of r-selection while endemic disease in Africa—as described by Rushton—is an agent of K-selection. Simple models are not always best—especially for organisms as complex as humans—so attempting to reduce complex biological and environmental interactions into a linear continuum is mistaken (Boyce, 1984). The simpler the ecological model, the more complex ecological sophistication is needed to understand and apply said model. So, although Rushton prefers simple models, in this context it is not apt, as complex biological systems interacting with their environments should not be reduced to a ‘simple model’.
If the r/K model were applicable to humans, then Caucasoids and Mongoloids would be r-selected while Negroids would be K-selected. Endemic and infectious disease—stated by Rushton to be an r-selected pressure—is actually a K-selected pressure. So Negroids would have been subjected to K-selected pressures (disease) and r-selected pressures (drought). Conversely, for Mongoloids, they migrated into colder temperatures which act in a density-independent way—hence, cold winters (temperature extremes) are an agent of r-selection.
The author is right about Rushton being too broad. Combining all African and all European populations probably dulls the degree to which certain populations are r and K. Take European royal bloodlines and I will bet you would find a lot of r. Take the most r populations in Africa and you would also see highly obvious differences deviating from normal human behavior. In mixing populations you dull the obviousness of the aberrant behavior of the rabbits. Goal number one should be to get people forced to acknowledge that some humans are exhibiting the r-strategy compared to others. Mixing chimps and bonobos would blunt the obviousness of the behaviors of each subpopulation, and make it harder to force that conclusion on the individuals who will naturally be emotionally resistant to it.
I get the impression the author is a pot-stirrer ginning up debate, which I can respect. But I would counter that I think this argument requires a slightly more complex view on a few points, and it seeks to cite the established literature on r/K a little too much.
Most of the literature on r/K is incredibly shallow in its analyses. I suspect nobody really cared about the theory on an emotional level, so nobody really bothered to look too closely at it, or tried to understand why some arguments would seemingly violate simple common sense. One person would assert things that would make no sense in certain contexts, and nobody would ever try to highlight the complexity required for a fuller understanding of the issue. It is either that, or the more powerful minds gravitated somewhere else in the sciences with more practical application.
As an example, the author cites papers that say drought is an r-selective pressure. Drought can be r or K, depending on the abilities of the organisms confronted with it. Mice will die in a drought, and have short enough life cycles to reproduce in the wet periods following it. So with mice, after the drought, there will be free resources and that makes drought a huge r-selection pressure.
But suppose you have an organism with the intelligence to envision how to survive the drought, and which thinks in terms of long time frames. Now that drought will cull the relatively r-selected individuals who are designed to exploit a glut with no thought of the future, while favoring those who planned for the drought and stockpiled water, or organized a way to acquire it. Is the drought still an r-selective pressure? Being human, with a high IQ and an ability to plan for the future changes a lot of these rules.
On the issue of colder climates being K, the author cites research which makes the case that cold climates kill back the population in the winter, and then allow explosive growth in the summer, and thus are r-selecting.
This will be true in things like insects with short lifespans and no ability to plan for the winter. But in humans, this will favor those who can defer pleasures in the summer, looking forward to the winter and sacrificing by setting aside resources to get themselves through the colder period. It will also favor groups which can work together in pursuit of common goals.
In short, as in the story of the grasshopper and the ant, in humans this will favor the K-selected worldview, with its longer time perspectives, because the K-selected are focused on sacrificing in the short term to survive trials of shortage and harshness in the future.
This will be true of most hardships to some degree. Where they kill back the population massively and randomly, and then allow explosive regrowth, they are r-pressures. But where they are challenges that select for those who can prepare and overcome them, they will tend to favor K, even if they may, strictly by the numbers, appear to be r.
He also speaks of aggression. There the question is, is aggression borne of a competitive psychology that embraces risk innately because it evolved to embrace risk in a competitive environment where resources are scarce, or is aggression an opportunistic seizure of free resources from the weak and helpless.
A criminal who sees an old lady and pushes her to the ground to steal her purse is not the same as a Marine who proceeds to selflessly storm enemy lines and kill fifteen men with his bare hands simply to try and save his fellow Marines in battle. The criminal will seek out the weak and vulnerable to victimize safely for personal gain, while the Marine would find that in conflict with his nature. The Marine will sacrifice himself for his group and nothing more, while the criminal would view that as pointless and stupid. Those are two vastly different forms of aggression.
Aggression and violence can be principled and daring, or opportunistic and cowardly. Each is driven by a different psychology, and you can see this difference extend to sexual drive, promiscuity, and even rearing investments. I think there needs to be a difference cited there. One aggressive psychology is r and one is K. One is designed to take free resources in a world with no consequences, while the other is programmed to fight with anyone to try and get a share of scarce resources, because if they didn’t they would starve.
Then there is disease. Disease can be r or K, depending on epidemiology. If a disease is sexually transmitted, it is going to take out those with a high sex drive, promiscuity, and reduced disgust. That doesn’t means the disease is K-selecting, so much as it preferentially kills those with an r-selected psychology, and fosters the rise of K.
On the other hand, if a disease infects and kills randomly, such as one transmitted by mosquito, then it will open up free resources by killing the population back below the carrying capacity. That will favor the rise of the r-selected psychologies.
These misapprehensions are not the author’s fault. He accurately cites papers on r/K. But this is why I do not spend time on this blog citing the papers on r/K Theory. I have found the vast majority are written by individuals looking to create quick rules of thumb for much more complex variables that can only be looked at in the context of the mechanisms they are a part of. In many cases, I see authors claiming something is always r or K, when the truth is they are more often the opposite for reasons which the authors seem strangely blind to.
r and K are simple adaptation to either free or limited resource availabilities. To understand how the environment affects the evolution of r and K psychologies, you have to understand that those adaptations to free or limited resources imbue certain psychological predispositions. Once imbued, all other selective pressures have to be examined with an eye to how they either confer advantage or disadvantage on those who express those psychological traits.
A sexually transmitted disease that savages a population will open up resource availability and reduce the population well below the carrying capacity, and thus could be mistaken for an r-selecting pressure. But if it wipes out every promiscuous r-strategist, and leaves behind only the monogamous K-strategists, then it is not an r-selective pressure at all. It is favoring the K-psychology, even as from a raw numerical standpoint it would appear an r-pressure. (Indeed, I suspect a golden age in the context of human history will be found to often be such an unusual circumstance, where a population is K-ified, even as it is placed in an r-selected environment of free resource availability. The opposite, an r-ified population placed in a grossly overpopulated environment of shortage will be found to reliably be Hell on earth. Guess which one we have coming.)
The complete absence of that type of detailed understanding of the effects of selective pressures in the literature about r/K Selection Theory is why I don’t waste extensive time here quoting the source texts on the subject. Most seem strangely shallow in their analyses.
I am amused to see the author mention r/K Selection Theory has been linked to ideology, without any mention of where. My greatest hope has always been that r/K Theory would become so ever present in the dialog that nobody would remember where it first arose. When that happens, r/K will be everywhere, and nobody will have any idea who to blame.
Clearly we are already on that path.
[…] Rushton And r/K Selection Theory […]
“Cold weather is normally an agent of r-selection while endemic disease in Africa—as described by Rushton—is an agent of K-selection”- lost me there. If we didn’t have brains and it was just our immune systems adapting I guess that would be true, but it isn’t. There is a very popular TV show that has a saying “Winter is coming”, simply put, we KNOW winter is coming. I can stockpile food for Dec. 21st but, I don’t have a date for the next big disease. I can try to minimize whom I interact with (only the very, very clean!) and buy bio suits and such but I would imagine many who could not evade disease would choose the easy way out, get depressed, start drinking and start sleeping around casually. In response to a randomized future threat some K’s would go super-K, others further down the amygdala curve would go r. We saw that in the Cold War, some people rose to the Communist nuclear threat with laser focus (steel eyed missile men and Ray-gun), others went along with peaceniks and started virtue signalling about open borders, nuclear freezes and a world free of nuclear weapons and political correctness. Because of feelings.
He has the following response:
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/06/28/rk-selection-theory-a-response-to-anonymous-conservative/
I think there is going to be quite a bit of back and forth.
Fascinating. Collecting straws.
Care to explain how I’m collecting straws?
Sure, I’ll give it a shot if no one else is going to carry on. I’m a little busy trying to get my s**t squared away before winter comes. I’m way behind, but I’ll get to it.
I’ll link you.
I am amused to see the author mention r/K Selection Theory has been linked to ideology, without any mention of where.
We were referring to you, but since you’re not a peer reviewed scholar who publishes papers in journals we wouldn’t link to a blog whose sole purpose is to sell a book and spread theories that are mere baseless opinion.
Anyway, fill me in:
Are pro-life conservative pro-r-selection?
Are rednecks r-selected conservatives, because their behaviors “deviate from normal human” ones as you put it in my opinion?
What are normal human behaviors?
Which are the mosr r-selected African populations that deviate so much from the norm?
Who is r- and who is K- in countries that have no conservative/liberal divide?
What about people with mixed leanings or those who change ideology in their lifetime?
On what basis do you define r/K if not on the basic principles of ecology?
Who are you?
Are you trying to create a conservative-supremacist ideology so that all of your enemies can be lumped into a single sub-human category?
Does your book sell well?
They have a child protective urge that is actually not adapted yet to the fact abortion kills r-strategists.
I would say freedom, marriage, family, child-protection, loyalty
I don’t know, but I am sure resources and mortality forms differ among different populations, and some will be more r or more K than others.
Are you really claiming there are populations that are completely uniform?
Research says amygdala development tends to be a one way street (pathways are built, but unlike the rest of the brain, not easily degraded), so that would indicate people who are born with undeveloped amygdalae (linked in literature with leftist ideology), will take a path that tends to develop amygdala, and changes will tend to be rightward.
It correlates with observation, where people are leftist at 19, and conservative at 40. Promiscuity/sex-drive, rearing drive, and protective urges will also follow those pathways.
It depends on the source. Pianka is a hack, as are many others. I suspect he was a leftist, began to see the association between leftism and r/K, and tried to take out r/K in the process. I use the early literature to define the traits, but as it went on, it became ridiculous, trying to link all sorts of minor characteristics outside of the big five to r/K. I am still amazed many use mortality as a measure, rather than resource availability, when it is so obvious.
No, but reality has a way of working out like that as you reach the end of a bubble.
According to Amazon rankings, people are more interested in r/K than Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, Plato, James Patterson, Alexander Hamilton, and Karl Marx. And it’s growing.
Is that frustrating for you?
They have a child protective urge that is actually not adapted yet to the fact abortion kills r-strategists.
No, it doesn’t kill “r-strategists”. The women who abort can still have as many children as they like after an abortion.
I would say freedom, marriage, family, child-protection, loyalty
Lol, you’re retarded, all those human rights things started as liberal ideals to begin with. Then tell me of any “r-selected” African population that doesn’t value those things?
I don’t know, but I am sure resources and mortality forms differ among different populations, and some will be more r or more K than others.
You don’t know? Yet you explicitly pointed out to some African populations but you don’t know which ones… Is your book full of these baseless approximations?
Are you really claiming there are populations that are completely uniform?
No, but liberal vs. conservative is far from being an universal divide. In fact, there are very few liberals out of the Western world. If you look at views on homosexuality, women’s right, family, religion, welfare etc. Africa is far more K-selected than Scandinavia?
And by the way, what different evolutionary pressures led liberals and conservatives to evolve differently?
It correlates with observation, where people are leftist at 19, and conservative at 40. Promiscuity/sex-drive, rearing drive, and protective urges will also follow those pathways.
Or in other words people are hopeful at 19, angry and frustrated at 40.
It depends on the source. Pianka is a hack, as are many others. I suspect he was a leftist, began to see the association between leftism and r/K, and tried to take out r/K in the process
Nice appeal to motivation but Pianka didn’t challenge r/K, he upgraded it. Your statement makes you sound stupid you know.
I am still amazed many use mortality as a measure, rather than resource availability, when it is so obvious.
I’m so amazed that you make such bold claims on things you don’t understand.
No, but reality has a way of working out like that as you reach the end of a bubble.
LMAO, what reality are you talking about? Your delusions of omniscience? Please…
Is that frustrating for you?
No, I was just subtly pointing out to an obvious conflict of interest. You can’t even get that, so forget the idea that you’re anywhere close to understanding how the world works.
The baby is genetically predisposed, probably through high long form DRD4 carriage, to be an r-strategist. I assume the vast majority of abortions are humans who would have grown up to be r-strategists.
I’m not an expert on African populations, but it is worth noting the slave trade began and was sustained by African slave traders, because Europeans would be dead in six months from disease. So I would argue at least some in Africa had little interest in freedom in the past. Mugabe would seem to bear that out as well. But if you look to the displaced populations in the US, where resources are provisioned freely, you can see an adaptation to r-selection in action even more. There the welfare-dependent population expects other citizens to produce the money to feed and house them, and give it to them in the form of welfare and assistance. Many have as many children as they can, so they can demand more free stuff. That is practically demanding other innocent people work, at least part time, as slaves for them. To say nothing of single mothering, crime, and a willingness to turn on the cops who protect them, at the drop of a hat. Freedom, loyalty, family, rearing urges – it is all demonstrated there.
Now on Africa as r or K, I wasn’t making any case, but just saying there would be diversity in populations if there was diversity in environments, which I assume there are given the size of the land. But I could not overemphasize how little I give a fuck.
There have been a lot of papers that make the case the left right divide is a primary divide in human populations. Jost began at least one paper by referencing it.
On Africa being more K than Scandinavia, that is the difference in resources. Move the Africans to the US, and give them shortage like around 1900, and they were very K-selected and family oriented. Then turn around and flood welfare into their communities, and they go r-selected, just like the whites. They mate and rear just like rabbits, they demand easy free resources in welfare rather than wanting to compete, they don’t become hyper-patriotic, and marriage is not a big thing to them.
K-selection, and a world where humans had a whole globe to colonize, meant when K-selection hit the earliest population after the bottleneck, one group would stay and fight, and one would flee to neighboring, uninhabited lands of free resource availability. The ones who stayed met up with K-selection and adapted to it. Those who fled landed in free resource availability.
There were probably other stresses, from pandemics, to natural disasters, to things like droughts and storms that fed either r or K. But I am convinced it began with migration based on long form DRD4 distributions.
As for the book, you do realize that r/K Theory was so big it was first introduced in a book as well? When you have 290 pages of studies linked together, and all reinforcing each other, a ten or twenty page journal article is not going to do it justice.
The bottom line is this idea is probably spreading ten times as fast now as it was a year ago, and we do not even have a Trumpian election going on now to amass conservatives in large groups discussing it. This is very viral, because if you aren’t blinded by an emotional attachment to the left, it explains almost everything. By my estimation, everyone will know of r/K theory, and every conservative will just accept it as established truth, in ten years or so. And that assumes the God-Emperor, who has already liked it on twitter, doesn’t decide it serves his interest to put it in front of everyone.
Now, if the economic collapse goes down, and promiscuity goes up, marriage goes down even more, demands for freedom go down, and everybody becomes hyper-pacifistic, then it will be shown to be wrong. But I wouldn’t bet on that.
The baby is genetically predisposed, probably through high long form DRD4 carriage, to be an r-strategist. I assume the vast majority of abortions are humans who would have grown up to be r-strategists.
LMAO, I knew DRD4 was linked to ADHD, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, diabetes, novelty seeking and wanderlust but never heard anything about over-reproduction or being a liberal. Did you? Or did you just make it up.
By the way, you might like to know the worldwide frequency of the 7R version of this gene:
Africa: 13.3%
Europe and the Middle East: 11.7%
South and East Asia: 1.9%
Oceania (Natives): 16.5%
Americas (Natives): 48.3%
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kenneth_Kidd/publication/14518278_Chang_F-M_Kidd_JR_Livak_KJ_Pakstis_AJ_Kidd_KK_The_world-wide_distribution_of_allele_frequencies_at_the_human_dopamine_D4_receptor_locus_Hum_Genet_98_91-101/links/57a0de7e08aeb1604832b57a.pdf
Any comment?
I’m not an expert on African populations
No, really?
but it is worth noting the slave trade began and was sustained by African slave traders, because Europeans would be dead in six months from disease.So I would argue at least some in Africa had little interest in freedom in the past.
Speaking of slavery and freedom, were the confederates r-selected or K-selected? Oh no, my bad it wasn’t about slavery, it was about States rights… To own slaves. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
where resources are provisioned freely
Really? Woah, I never knew such a place existed. I live in France, how can I do to move to wonderful America where you can live for free?
you can see an adaptation to r-selection in action even more
No, I can’t see, I don’t even see how could adaptation to selection make sense.
There the welfare-dependent population expects other citizens to produce the money to feed and house them, and give it to them in the form of welfare and assistance.
Of course, welfare is paradise, it’s well known that it’s every liberal’s goal in life to live on wellfare. No the only one I know whose goal is to live off others’ work is the idle capitalistic class, and they actually interfere in government affairs to keep on exploiting the mass even more ruthlessly.
Many have as many children as they can, so they can demand more free stuff.
How many people?
Do you understand what a TFR of 1.88 means or do you think I believe the tale of the black welfare queen?
That is practically demanding other innocent people work, at least part time, as slaves for them.
Yes, forget the whips and chains and it’s absolute slavery. So sad… I have abolitionist impulse every time I see a miserable taxpayer that begs for his freedom.
To say nothing of single mothering, crime, and a willingness to turn on the cops who protect them, at the drop of a hat.
I had the intuition that you were a blue/all/everything but black lives matter retard, now it’s confirmed. You know what, you should carry your reasoning to its logical end. Cops are a force of r-selection as they prevent free evolutionary competition that selects K-strategists. Wolves don’t have cops, they struggle for their share and rank and you should advocate the same for society. Each one should be left free to compete for resources by whatever means. Sounds good nah?
Freedom, loyalty, family, rearing urges – it is all demonstrated there.
LOL, try again.
But I could not overemphasize how little I give a fuck.
You should give a fuck, your theory has to be valid all over the world, not just planet America.
There have been a lot of papers that make the case the left right divide is a primary divide in human populations. Jost began at least one paper by referencing it.
Well, no, it was even completely non-existent before industrial era. No conservatives in Rome, no liberals in Egypt.
they don’t become hyper-patriotic
LMAO, I can’t see why…
They mate and rear just like rabbits, they demand easy free resources in welfare rather than wanting to compete,
You might want to take another look at the chart above, and maybe educate yourself on rabbit’s reproduction cycles. By the way, I heard conservatives had more kids than liberals, did someone lie to me? On resources and not wanting to compete, you’ll need to elaborate and tell me how many blacks don’t want a job, or would chose welfare instead of a promotion.
and marriage is not a big thing to them.
And not only them, judging from divorce rates… Actually, they possibly save a lot of money by not believing too much in fairy tales.
K-selection, and a world where humans had a whole globe to colonize, meant when K-selection hit the earliest population after the bottleneck, one group would stay and fight, and one would flee to neighboring, uninhabited lands of free resource availability. The ones who stayed met up with K-selection and adapted to it. Those who fled landed in free resource availability.
So how do you explain the presence of r-selected and K-selected people in the same society?
There were probably other stresses, from pandemics, to natural disasters, to things like droughts and storms that fed either r or K. But I am convinced it began with migration based on long form DRD4 distributions.
Yes, it does add up, lol.
As for the book, you do realize that r/K Theory was so big it was first introduced in a book as well?
Hum, yeah, like Creation did. That’s not how you judge the scientific validity of a theory.
When you have 290 pages of studies linked together, and all reinforcing each other, a ten or twenty page journal article is not going to do it justice.
Lol, 290 pages might sound impressive to your semi-literate audience of FOX news addicts but it’s very unlikely that the theory of the century fits in a book that’s shorter than any Harry Potter episode. Try harder.
The bottom line is this idea is probably spreading ten times as fast now as it was a year ago, and we do not even have a Trumpian election going on now to amass conservatives in large groups discussing it. This is very viral, because if you aren’t blinded by an emotional attachment to the left, it explains almost everything. By my estimation, everyone will know of r/K theory, and every conservative will just accept it as established truth, in ten years or so. And that assumes the God-Emperor, who has already liked it on twitter, doesn’t decide it serves his interest to put it in front of everyone.
ROFL, seeing how bad you are at defending your assumptions and backing them with empirical evidence on the comments section of your blog, I can tell you would be just comical on TV. And of course, you’ll need to show your face and reveal your identity, that’s called respect and having balls. And when people “know” that liberals are rabbits and conservatives are wolves, half will be like “so what?” half will be like “rabbits are so cute, let’s deport wolves to conservativstan!”.
But I wouldn’t bet on that.
And I wouldn’t bet on your theory becoming the next big thing in political thought
7r is established as a predispositioning gene for leftist political ideology in a pretty famous paper cited in the book. It was so famous, it was on just about every news site when it came out a few years back, so you didn’t need to even be interested in the field to see it. 7r is also linked to infidelity and promiscuity in a paper where the researcher says it would do well in an environment favoring r-selection. So basically there is a paper looking strictly at behavior which says an allele high in African populations, (and rare in Asians, and moderate in whites) is essentially an r-gene. And it did it independently (and probably unaware) of Rushton, thereby confirming his work from a completely independent, mechanistic perspective.
Google and medline are your friends. As for the rest of the numbers you cite, if 7r is an r-allele, those numbers fit with Ruston, with the exception of native Americans which I am not sure he has ever addressed. Though given rates of alcoholism, and 7r’s association with addiction, I suppose it would fit.
If I were you, I would make arguing with Rushton a side gig.
You are aware that one reason birthrates are so high in the poorest of the poorer communities is that they literally get pregnant for the benefits, so they never have to work? Housing, food, healthcare, education, and even clothing for the kids is all free, and they never work for any of it. r-selection is real. So is the phenomenon of supernormal stimuli, which means you don’t have to have things be entirely free if the neurochemical reward is vastly greater than the work invested. I assume you are familiar with it?
You do realize Rome’s decline (after an extensive period of foreign booty from conquest and slavery) was marked by embrace of foreign barbarians and ceding of leadership positions to them, unsustainable welfare which caused farmers to abandon farming to move to cities for welfare, loss of military/warrior virtue, and even sexual debauchery, promiscuity, and infidelity. They were marrying horses, so traditional marriage broke down, and it all ended in an economic collapse of the government. Does any of that sound familiar? I haven’t advocated for this idea on a whim.
Once the globe was colonized, r’s adapted to move to free resource availability. That meant successful areas. Now today, DRD4 7r is noted as a migrant gene in the literature, and the most left of leftists instinctually align their interests against their own people and in support of foreign out-groups. I look on that as being psychology pre-integrated into the foreign society they are programmed to flee to if their own nation’s resources grow too scarce. Since the west is so wealthy, it is like a vestigial trait.
The problem you have is you haven’t read anything on r/K but you want to discredit it, because you see where it leads. If the wolves begin to see the world as wolves who are loyal, and rabbits who destroy everything good, the coming collapse and upheaval will be really interesting indeed. Once there are no rules, thepurge could be epic, and non of the rabbits take combat seriously, so they will not be the ones with the guns.
If you want to argue about it, you need to read the several hundred studies cited, and find somewhere where the studies don’t fit neatly together and support it. As it stands, I have yet to see somebody come out and point out a logical fallacy. Somehow the arguments always come down to how funny I will look on TV debating it, or how everyone will love leftism, because we are always progressing to a leftist utopia.
You’ve gotta do better than that.
Beauty!