Some may wonder why the book spends time on epigenetic effects. It includes epigenetic effects because that will ultimately end up being one of the prime motivators of a culture’s ideological bias.
One of the things which I have seen first hand is the slowly corrupting nature of resource excess and peace. This doesn’t happen all at once to a culture, but rather creates a slow, perceptible slide from generation to generation. When I began martial arts training, I rolled with a club that was full of vets fresh from the Korean war. These guys were hard men, in a way you don’t really see today in civil society. The lead instructor had left the Special Forces in the Army, and you knew it within minutes of meeting him. He wasn’t scary, so much as you instinctually sensed that he was the immovable object and the unstoppable force. He could break a 2.5 foot 2×4 leaning against the wall with an inside stomp kick, while in cowboy boots – something he would often note was a very effective way to deal with the outer front of an opponent’s knee in a clinch, if you set it up right.
He was a really bad dude in ways I would never have imagined, had I not actually met and known him, but so were the other vets at the club. They didn’t just do one martial art. They were as proficient with firearms and blades as their hands, and they had a mental quality that is tough to describe, but which would instantly put “normal” people today on edge around them. These were men for whom the study of being able to destroy other men physically was almost a religious duty. You could have dropped these guys into the hardest prison in the nation, and there would be no doubt that the worst, most violent men in those prisons would have instinctually given them a wide berth. I just don’t meet guys like that today all that often, yet in my travels, I found they were relatively common back then in a few circles.
As I continued to study the arts I noticed something. Violent men, simply dedicated to learning how best to hurt others, began to give way to a more gentle, less threatening, more fun-loving variant of human. Vietnam era guys were tough, but they didn’t have that cold, violent, ruthless edge. Later generations gradually became more and more into fun than they were into the art of hurting people. Even today, I am pretty sure most martial artists would freeze up if they suddenly had a dead body at their feet to dispose of. That first group I knew wouldn’t have even blinked. They’d have instantly started running through a list of potential dump-sites they had made note of in their travels, as they mustered up some 12 mil plastic sheeting and shovels.
Today, I feel kind of funny writing about these guys, as if nobody would believe they could exist. I write that last line in the paragraph above, and I wonder, “Does even claiming to have known guys like that make me look crazy? Will readers today even believe guys like that existed in this country in any numbers, or will they blow this article off as fantasy?” But those guys were exactly like that, and they were different for a reason. Their eyes lit up describing the sky going bright at night, with the white phosphorus artillery shells even illuminating where they were, which was presumably pretty far afield behind the official front lines of the war they were fighting.
Even as I marveled at their steely fierceness, they came from even harder WWII era stock that was forged during a time when evil so threatened the world, we could have ended up enslaved if just a few things had gone differently. In that war, we flame-throwered Japanese to death on a regular basis, bombed civilians like it was a video game, and God have mercy on anybody who objected to any of it, or had any sympathy for anyone outside of our American in-group. Our very species was fundamentally different from the fun-loving, peaceful people of today.
If you view this article through that prism, you will begin to see why epigenetics is so important to politics. What is being altered in the mice epigenetically, in the study (full paper here), is the ease and degree of amygdala reactivity and conditioning to a specific encountered stimulus the parents were exposed to – in other words, the ability of the amygdala to learn to perceive and respond to a threat stimuli indicative of future harshness. Although the article references a specific gene for an olfactory receptor possibly being affected, there are genes for neurotransmitter receptors which affect amygdala reactivity and conditioning (A specific gene for this type of neurotransmitter receptor has been associated with ideological predispositioning.), and it would be surprising if the expression of these genes was not affected by epigenetics as well.
That is what I beleive was different in my old, Korean War vet friends. Experience had taught them that violence comes and when it does you don’t screw around – and for some reason, they seemed to have learned the lesson particularly easily. That is the foundational mechanism of political ideology too. As we don’t experience harshness, our society loses this ability to train our amygdalae to recognize various problems in the offing, and our debt bubble becomes no concern, our military is just fine with a gay/lesbian/transgender core force, and 80 lb elderly lesbian women make great Generals, so long as you don’t call them bossy if they snap at you.
The change described in that study on mice is not being done through genetic selection altering allele ratios in the population over time, or through the dopamine desensitization which occurs in an individual due to copious, prolonged, endogenous dopamine release due to pleasure and ease. Rather, the change that study noted is occurring through stress application to the parents, which is altering gene expression in the offspring. The offspring get the same gene sequences as the parents, with the same promotors and repressors, but their body is less able to read some genes, or more able to read others, or some combination thereof, due to changes made to the DNA molecule’s peripheral parts, or other accessory structures altered, added, or removed, all courtesy of the parent’s biochemistry.
A similar study done in humans, might say that repeated exposure to threat stimuli followed by the infliction of harshness, would produce humans whose children would learn to associate threat stimuli with subsequent harshness, faster than their parents did. In other words, the amygdalae of the children would more quickly learn to predict the onset of harshness based on an analysis of current conditions. They would probably also exhibit increased amygdala volume, and better structure their behaviors and decision making to avoid harshness later. This will be no surprise to those who read the book, and saw the research examining how epigenetic effects would affect the expression of an r or K-selected reproductive strategy in mammals. This is just yet another piece of confirming evidence.
Those Korean vets I knew came from parents who, (based on a cursory examination of the traits their kids carried), probably sliced a bloody swath during WWII through a place where the threat of their own violent end at the hands of a brutal enemy was ever present. Next thing you know, I’m sparring with guys who would have put the fear of God into a bar full of PCP-laden Hells Angels.
Take away the threat stimulus of war and shortage, and decades later I’m laughing, as I fight, at the ridiculous comedic antics of a twenty-something goofball opponent, who I couldn’t imagine ever killing anyone. For decades I marveled at that phenomenon as I watched it slowly play out in front of me, long before I ever knew why it was happening. It wasn’t genetic – it was too fast, and there weren’t enough people dying, or enough selective breeding. It wasn’t an endogenous bio-chemical desensitization, it was too gradual, over generations and decades. Epigenetics is the only mechanism I am aware of which fit what I observed, and I have no doubt, that is what it was. And the mechanism I saw there is the same one I see playing out in our politics as the decades pass, and each new generation seems to lack something the previous generation had. Today, as I look out on the nation, I see a rapidly growing cadre of imbeciles, totally blind to the economic destruction and national and cultural failure that each election brings us closer to. This is why those imbeciles are out there, and why they are growing in number.
Note that this would also indicate that if Republican leaders became confrontational, aggressive, demeaning, and willing to engender a conflict-filled environment when dealing with Liberals, they would not only shift the population towards the right today. They would make it easier for the next generation of Republicans to condition American amygdalae with conflict and promote a more Conservative ideology in the populace then too. Of course, given what is coming economically, that will occur sooner or later anyway.
Nothing in the book is there by accident, and I am pretty sure that there is very little to add of any meaning. It is at least fifty years ahead of its time, if not more. After the book finally catches on one day, it will be funny to watch people who hate it, grudgingly admit that all along, it was the one-stop-shop for understanding everything about the political battles which have molded our civilizations for eons.
A truthful statement, but Republican leaders will not become confrontational, aggressive, demeaning, or willing to engender a conflict-filled environment when dealing with Liberals. They are liberals. The disease called progressivism has metastasized throughout both parties, the media, most mainline churches, and popular culture.
Conservative GOP leaders like Ronald Reagan are exceptions to the squishy rule. Barring an Article V convention, we’re headed for either a societal collapse, major federal government repression, or both.
I agree – from a practical perspective you are wholly correct. Be it r’s gravitating to the low-lying dopamine fruits of winning political office, or the corrupting effects of endogenous dopamine releases produced by power, money, and sex, our leadership has gone pretty r.
Still, I hold a small, ridiculous hope that those in power on the right might recognize that they could increase their own hold on power dramatically merely by humiliating the Liberals on the other side. Or that politicians might perceive there is power in r/K and begin expoiting it. Or maybe the populace will realize they need more Ted Cruz and Allen West, and less John Boehner, and act towards that end. Or even better, the cabal at the top which really runs things will get tired of periodically undergoing these collapses, recognize the risks such things pose to their power structures (from secession of states to the loss of physical repositories of NSA archived data), and they will act to forestall what is coming, maybe even by promoting r/K.
Probably regardless, we will get the collapse, and everybody will be screwed, until K comes back enough to act decisively to seize power, crush the opposition, and drag us out of the morass. Given the way the right is exploding in Europe, and confrontational secessionist movements are taking off, I think we are goibng to go K, one way or another.
“They are liberals”
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Well, not exactly.
They are yesterday’s liberals.
There was once an age when their policies/practices were considered far left.
While something even tougher existed on the far right back then.
Todays liberalism will become tomorrows conservatism.
If that day comes something even more ‘liberal’ awaits on the far left.
And that something will be looked at total aghast by todays liberals.
I disagree. I think we’ve gone as far left as we can. This can’t go on indefinitely – God literally didn’t design the world for it to do that. In the movies, you reach full on Idiocracy, but in reality, it can’t get that far. The idiots would have killed those plants way before then, and in the carnage which followed, there would have been an epic scrubbing of the gene pool.
It is coming, and it will be the definition of interesting times. In bed just this morning, I looked at the ceiling, and was just marveling at what I expect to live to see.
They did a model of what a full loss of electronics, and the related comms and computers would do (like due to an EMP, or major solar event). Within one year, 90% of the population of the US was dead. No that is not a typo. Food delivery infrastructure was the problem. Once food got short in the cities, the few shipments that got scheduled and delivered got hijacked by starving masses, and the rest of the shipments decided to wait it out until things got settled – which only unsettled things more. From there it was a downward spiral – like the Rodney King Riots without the cops even showing up to work a few blocks away. Self sufficiency doesn’t exist for city dwellers, except for a few, who only make themselves targets for the masses around them who, with great foresight, immediately kill them and take their stuff.
That is what I expect when that first bank holiday happens, and the EBT cards end up not able to actually buy enough food to keep the city dwelling-leaches alive. From there, they spread to rich liberaldom, to help themselves, (since the alternative is starvation), and from there you are right into that scenario, where delivery infrastructure is all fucked up.
Liberals have no idea where they are taking things.
I think we should take into account that whatever the prevailing dominant paradigm is, women will follow it.
As Robert Briffault wrote: “…afford no evidence that the influence of woman has ever been exercised in the direction of extending sexual restrictions and tabus, and of imposing chastity on men….Feminine morality consists in unquestioning assent to established estimates and usages….Feminine conservatism defends polygamy and sexual freedom as staunchly as it does monogamy and morality.’
If men make it r, women will follow r. If it’s K, women will follow K. Ultimately, men lead and women follow.
Unfortunately, modern women can vote.
If men make it r, women will follow r. If it’s K, women will follow K. Ultimately, men lead and women follow.
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And so long as there’s plenty of food for runts to thrive it will be r.
r men form coalitions against the stronger K men.
That’s the reason we have the ‘prison industrial complex’ we have today.
“r men form coalitions against the stronger K men.”
Only during r, when everyone can survive, and the r-coalitions are weakly bound, with very little loyalty. Once resources really get short enough that somebody has to die, those K-men bind themselves together, and the r-coalitions explode into fleeing cowards as they are over-run by men who fear disloyalty more than death.
Hey Anonymous Conservative, is there anything to the whole “Dim Mak” Korean “death touch” thing? Did these Vets you knew know about that?
Good Blog by the way.
I am the type of guy who hates to knock anything I don’t know about, but I will say those guys I knew were never big into Chi/Qi/Ki, or the internal energy stuff. I remember someone asking about the internal energy, and the lead instuctor saying if it was effective, the military would teach it, and people would stop all the rigorous physical training in teh civilian world. I’ve mostly ignored it myself.
That said, University of Georgia Veterinary school had some Traditional Chinese Medicine specialists show up once, and just as they arrived, a cow they had onsite went into labor. As a demonstration, they did a full C-section delivery using nothing but acupuncture needles to numb the entire area to the point the cow felt nothing. Clearly, some impressive neurological manipulation is going on there, especially since the meridians don’t clearly link up with known nerve pathways. The changes are almost certainly being done in the brain.
That said, a lot of veterinarians say they do acupuncture, but all they really do is give the animal a Dexamethasone (steroid) shot while “weighing” it in the back rom, and then stick some needles in for show. The steroid kills all inflamation temporarily, and the owner thinks it is a miracle. SO you also have a lot of fakes.
I knew an expert in TCM once, and my impression is he could numb areas impressively with needles, and even trip healing circuits, but whether that knowledge could be carried over to numb the neurological system with strikes and pressure points would seem dubious to me, especially in the frantic pace of a real fight.
I’d doubt serously you could kill someone, but I do have to confess no real expertise in the matter one way or the other.
I’m glad you like the blog.
Thanks, I have the vague feeling that it is not really true (Dim Mak), but who knows.
http://hopelesslysane.blogspot.com/2014/04/natural-law-transgressions.html
watch all I think you will like it
Yes, I did, thank you for the link.
When I went to US Army Flight School at Fort Rucker, Alabama, one of my instructors was a 50+ year vet, an Master Warrant Officer 5, named Mr. Whitaker. He flew in the Korean War in the distinctive OH-12 helicopters that you see in the TV show M.A.S.H., and he had done two tours in Vietnam before being made into an instructor, then went on to fly UH-60 Blackhawks in Desert Storm. He was the only guy I ever knew who was allowed to smoke cigars on the flightline; nobody, not even the brigade commander, ever dared tell Mr. Whitaker to put it out. I think even the aircraft were afraid of bursting into flames because it might disappoint him.
One of the first things he said to us newbies was, “There are two kinds of helicopter pilots; those that have crashed, and those that have yet to.” He went through six helicopter crashes, one of which he immediately got out and got into a fresh chopper to go back out into the fighting in Vietnam. He said, “I envy you all; the first time you crash you’ll learn that it’s not so bad, so you’ll grow a lot from it.”
I remember one session where I flew with him, and he had me hover in place for an hour, smoking his cigar, and I kept wondering if I’d ever get to be as bad-ass as him. True, he was a pilot, and pilots have a deserved reputation for being a bunch of joking flakes, but Whitaker oozed bad-assery in his stride.
He was right about crashing. I survived two crashes in my service in the Army, and one other as a commercial pilot. The first time, yes, it’s jolting; I found myself looking for my seat cushion. But nobody was badly hurt, and I walked out of it, and was flying the following Monday morning. The second time I suffered a broken wrist, but that was the only serious injury, and I found I didn’t think it was too bad. The third time was a little hairier; a seagull slammed through the windshield and we dropped 20′ to the ground, but I found that I did the right thing, keeping my hands on the cyclic and collective and doing the proper maneuver to get us to the ground safely. I killed the bird afterward, to put it out of its misery. Afterward, my flights got a lot more relaxing.
I’ve read this reply four or five times now,and it really hits me between the eyes. It is the type of thing that evokes nostalgia, for those who have had that beautiful mentor/protege-warrior tie-in with that older, harder generation. But it also demonstrates the degree of divergence. By all measure, you are the type of badass that people today have to take a moment to examine, to fully comprehend. Yet you look back, and see people who even you say were hardcore. I believe people who never met them can’t fully understand.
Life is cyclical, and I am sure those people are coming back. We may even end up being those people in twenty years. But I do pause, considering what I think will have to come, before that specific psychology will return.
Been researching the effects religious involvement and spiritual experiences have upon the brain (and vice versa) and came across this statement in one of the many blogs;
“Historically, Christianity has usurped traditions that belonged to other religions and cultures, by a process George Thundiparambil aptly calls Christian scavenging. Ironically, many traditions such as yoga (and its intrinsic aspect of meditation) are incompatible with Christianity. Recent researches in neuroscience make it clear that if one were to be faithful to Christianity, a contemplation on the Christian god results in rumination, which activates the limbic system and the amygdala, producing an undesirable fight-or-flight response, unlike Hindu meditation, which activates the anterior cingulate and causes bliss. This is why it is all the more important not only to recognize the Hindu roots of the practices such as yoga and meditation but also to highlight why they are incompatible with Christianity. ”
– Any insight?
Damn it. I wrote a very long response, entered it, WordPress turned it white to indicate it had entered, but it must not have made it to the server. Let’s try this again.
I agree with that material. Christianity seems to me, to be about conditioning the amygdala to perceive negative stimuli, feel it strongly, ruminate on it, recognize/feel it as negative, and then seek to avoid it in the future by altering behavior. Thus “we are all sinners” and “Jesus died for our sins” renders a sin able to be focused on. As you focus upon it, and repent, you recognize its wrongness and program your amygdala to be repelled by it in the future. All of that develops pathways in the amygdala, strengthens the sensations they call up, and adapts the amygdala to recognize negativity, feel the negativity, and respond by avoiding the negativity in the future by avoiding the sin.
The opposite is the Narcissist’s response, which is to be so horrified by a personal sin they can’t even touch on it in their mind. As a result, they deny the sin to avoid thinking about it, blind themselves to the possibility of sin in the future, and go forth screwing everyone as they tell themselves they are the most noble person around. If you see it close up, it is very striking.
On yoga/meditation, there is research indicating that practitioners may be adapting their brain to turn off the negative sensations produced by the amygdala as they train themselves to relax, and this may be shrinking the amygdala. It may depend on the type of meditation, and whether the focus is on eliminating negativity through simply deadening the negativity produced by the environment, or eliminating negativity by focusing on how to act so as to minimize its production by your environment.
It would all fit with the material here. Personally, I’d prefer having an Evangelical Christian as a foxhole buddy in a war, to some hippie-like meditation addict who just wants the whole universe to fill with love and harmony.
And though when I say that it sounds judgmental, it is important to recognize each strategy in the r/K paradigm is perfect for its environment. I used to meditate to quiet my mind after some workouts. I liked it, and it felt good, but I don’t do it anymore. If we have a collapse coming up, I want those negative feelings to hit hard and fast, so when my amygdala sees something I pay attention and adapt to the reality I face.
If I knew we were going to have an environment of free resources for the next two centuries however, and somebody said they were going to use meditation to degrade their amygdala, so they wouldn’t be as disgusted by gays, and sex-lube TV ads, and other degeneracy in the culture, and they would be more driven to avoid conflict, and not engage in feel-bad, I would have to admit, it would probably be a smart evolutionary play. They would have it easier in that environment (though I believe they would be degrading the force which drives one to morality, and I couldn’t bring myself to do it).
I’m betting we will all want our amygdalae intact, in the coming decades.
“It would all fit with the material here. Personally, I’d prefer having an Evangelical Christian as a foxhole buddy in a war, to some hippie-like meditation addict who just wants the whole universe to fill with love and harmony.”
This is odd. Why in your mind is meditation associated with hippieness?
“On yoga/meditation, there is research indicating that practitioners may be adapting their brain to turn off the negative sensations produced by the amygdala as they train themselves to relax, and this may be shrinking the amygdala. ”
References?
This is odd. Why in your mind is meditation associated with hippieness?
Probably not scientific, but my experience is, if someone has focused intensely on meditation, they will usually have done so to increase something they see as “peacefulness,” which I see as an element of hippieness. I think an embrace of anger and stress is the opposite, and less associated with hippieness. I shouldn’t need to add, that in that statement, I was speaking purely of playing odds. I recognize both metrics are not nearly absolutes, and there is something deeper within people, and especially warriors, that can traverse the r/K continuum with ease, go anywhere, and choose to explore and do anything without changing it’s fundamental nature.
That perception was probably also related to my knowledge of the study below, though. In it’s purest sense, meditation, as I have learned it, is a brain hack to shut off the stress sensations produced by the amygdala. I assume it is a consciously-forced imitation of the unstressful, r-selected environment, where the amygdala’s stress-inducing functions are turned off, or used rarely. I see stress as amygdala stimulation, and amygdala stimulation as the underlying mechanism producing anger/motivation (very similar, and probably the exact same thing in different intensities – that will sound weird, but it is true). I do not view anger as bad, since I suspect the observation of the Chinese, that anger/motivation, as one of the five basic emotions, is necessary to health and function, is probably correct.
That said in the interest of accuracy, I assume there are different types of meditation, and some may involve some activity that increases amygdala activity – I don’t know. I know of one type that generates heat, or blood flow increase, or a combination of the two in peripheral extremities – it is practiced by monks who actually dry towels soaked through with ice water by steaming the water off during meditation. I have no idea how to do it, or what it is doing, though. Qi-Gong appears to focus on connecting the mind and body through a brain-focus on peripheral nerves, or brain-triggered stimulation of them in some way, and likewise, I have no idea if that affects the amygdala or how. I do still periodically do a sort of static version of something similar.
Also, I do not label meditation bad, or make any 100% judgement. It is entirely possible that some people need it to rewire some sort of miswiring, or that different people will instinctually practice it differently, or experience different effects from it, based on some cognitive traits we haven’t even identified. It is possible some humans are wired more permanantly for the r-selected environment, and begin to melt-down phyically and mentally when exposed to the weakest of K-stimuli. For them, meditation may be an effective therapy to keep their brain toned down and operational in a world where resources are not free, and stress is increasing everywhere. In short, I recognize how much I don’t know, and speak purely in the most general sense, with a full knowledge that a lot of the info at this particular intellectual tip-of-the-spear is speculative at this point.
References?
http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2012.00292/abstract
I forgot that in the first comment I mentioned structure differences, which was this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19776221
Thanks for the links
Thank you for the question – I really should spend more time reading on all of this but I’ve been tied up. You made me take a look at stuff which I probably would never have found the time to otherwise, so thank you.
I looked into it some more, and found another grey-matter volume-linking study here, as well as this study, which is very interesting. It seems mindfulness meditation does shut off the amygdala and reduce some grey matter volume, but some meditation similar to a Tibetan meditation turns on the right amygdala, makes it kick on more in response to negativity, and it is associated with reduced depression. I would expect something which increases negativity, in response to environmental negativity, would motivate action more to improve the environmental conditions, and thus reduce depression. Sort of like I assume Conservatives respond to negativity more, but are happier overall because their resposne makes them take action to forestall the future negativity.
It would be interesting to track back where all of these meditations arose. Can’t help but wonder if some caught on because they helped the people in that area adapt to their environment. So meditation from a K-area (like a Tibetan monastery that was routinely attacked by bandits, and developed a martial art so they could fight for their lives) might better adapt the mind to the K-environment, while another meditation from a more r-environment might have helped aggressive K’s adapt to be more r, and caught on there because it was adaptive to r.