Years back, I remember marveling at the post-debate polls. In debates I thought Mitt Romney won, the media told me Romney had done terrible. In debates I thought Romney had lost, the media told me he did well. And so on for other candidates. The polls said it, so I thought I was out of sync with the populace, and the people were cueing in on something different from me.
I now realize it was all bullshit, including even the polls of public opinion. If the Republican won, they claimed he lost to blunt the effect. If he lost, they claimed he did OK, to encourage him to be weak and ineffectual in the next debate.
In the last debate, Donald looked Presidential, looked amused with the race, and dominated Hillary completely. Hillary looked weak, at times lost, and was constantly bitter and revolting. Donald killed it, and the media is telling me he lost.
The extent to which Trump is dominating, combined with the extent to which the media lies about him, is really revealing everything about the corrupt media and the rigged system. Everything, from polls, to editorials, to even cold hard facts, is all a lie.
Hillary Clinton, Mocking and Taunting in Debate, Turns the Tormentor
She mansplained him. “Let me translate that if I can,” Hillary Clinton said dryly after Donald J. Trump talked up his tax plan.
She interrupted him. When Mr. Trump boasted of the gilded Las Vegas hotel that bears his name, Mrs. Clinton leaned into her microphone. “Made with Chinese steel,” she quipped with a smile.
She mocked him…
He repeatedly gave up chances to respond to pointed taunts from Mrs. Clinton, who dominated the confrontation from its opening moments, needling and baiting him over and over…
At the moments when Mr. Trump did revert to his old, familiar self, he seemed unsteady and defensive…
Mr. Trump struggled to keep pace…
As the debate wore on, Mrs. Clinton kept finding opportunities to make Mr. Trump seem smaller and smaller, or at least more puerile.
She noted that after a stretch without an Emmy for his reality TV show, Mr. Trump had claimed that the awards show was rigged against him — just as he now says about the election.
Mr. Trump did not disappoint. “Should have gotten it,” he said bitterly…
And provoked he was.
“Such a nasty woman,” Mr. Trump grumbled.
It is astonishing. Trump wiped the floor with Hillary while alternating between bemusement and sternly asserting control where he wanted to. Hillary looked weak, angry, and desperate at all times. Even the Emmy line was so funny I burst out laughing. She tries to criticize him, and he completely ignores her and emphasizes with a smile, that Emmy should have been his. That entire New York Times piece is utter fantasy – complete bullshit.
Someday, centuries hence, if people want to know what was wrong with our culture, they will need only look at this race, and the coverage it received in the media. Our media has so completely detached themselves from the truth, that whatever percent of the populace listens to them , they are not just uninformed – they are misinformed.
What hope does civilization have, with a media like this?
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I have not watched any debates.
I have read some comments about who won or lost. Although ‘victory’ is different for each. In them she needed to not be shrill or passout. He needed to look presidential (whatever that means). It is possible therefore for both to do well on their scale as they aren’t who has answered best all night.
Anyhow. It think the “who won the debate” is a political Rorschach test. I mean everyone I’ve seen lines up with the political views of the person making the statement. Even Scott Adam’s ‘who won the third debate’ lines up that way. (for a lot of issues, Adam’s is a well what ever the r version of libertarian is. Generally a ‘do what you want’ kind of guy which is all over the r playground – but at times looks K ish).
It really is incredible. But I guess not surprising. The one thing this election has shown me is how much people are trapped in their own frames, (self included) and even when they say they like something outside their frame, they still view it through that window. (Adams briefly came out for Trump). For all the ‘red pills’ we take, we miss how after a while, it becomes the new blue pill. [this also is evolutionary, but working on the survival for the individual more than the reproductive pathways, and thus is not really r/K per se.]
Off-topic question: do you know anything about Neil Slade and his “amygdala clicking” technique? Sometimes referred to as amygdala popping also.
I believe that is where you turn off the amygdala by focusing the mind on a pleasant sensation, like the smell of a cinnamon muffin?
More and more, I think things like that may be counter-productive. You can’t run from amygdala. You need to embrace the burn, and learn to welcome it. Running leads to more running, and a desire to get away from it whenever you can. That leads to r, and ultimately a desire to be somewhere else fairly often, since there are nicer places to be most of the time.
I think you have to view the unpleasantness like exercises. You need a fair amount of it to keep your amygdala in shape.
Learning to turn it off, even with simulations like that, is like being a couch potato, and it leads to an inability to tolerate and handle stress. And that inability, as crazy as it sounds, makes your world less pleasant as you travel through it, because every little stress feels way worse than if you had just been reveling in the burn all along.
Probably the models are a bit orthogonal here: in your model, the amygdala is the source of reality-focus and willingness to act on nature in a causal manner. It basically cuts the crap.
In Neil Slade’s model, the amygdala is the regulator of focus in the brain, and the goal is to go from reptile-brain reactivity to frontal-lobe objectivity. I don’t know how r-delusion would fit into that model – probably using frontal lobe imagination without using ditto executive function.
r-delusion in Neil’s model: low-level reptile stimulation, dealt with by going into frontal lobe imagination. Basically an unclean burn.
Clean burn would be going into frontal lobe objectivity (tactics), or pure reptile brain (clean burn, in AnonCon’s parlance).
Just my ad-lib model, don’t take it as fact.
“I think you have to view the unpleasantness like exercises. You need a fair amount of it to keep your amygdala in shape.”
I’ve heard the theory before that this is one of the functions of dreams: to simulate unpleasant scenarios.
Speaking of scents and the amygdala, do you have any knowledge on that topic?
Sometimes it can be good to induce eg a relaxed state. What’s the way to go?
Googling lavender amygdala, there are a few studies…
Not really, but if I were to extrapolate, I would try to figure out how smells would have been significant, and what would have been evolutionary advantageous, and then I would overlay that with an understanding of distraction effects.
President by ballot or king by war.