A reader writes:
I feel logically that a collapse has to happen- IS already happening in so many ways. But like waves in a pond, the ramifications haven’t hit the middle-class social circles I frequent. Honestly I just can’t see it happening any time soon, it feels like this ridiculous construct could go on for decades, grinding everyone down before the powder keg ignites. I physically feel that there has to be a cleansing, in the form of contraction and (probably unavoidable) chaos. But it still feels calm, the atmosphere here is peaceful and safe.
So my main question is – Is it even possible to have a resource shortage in the same way as the past? I see the shortage being in social services, personal safety and opportunities that could/will trigger K here. Mad Max just seems to far fetched to happen in this day and age.
I know how strange it feels, but I think Mad Max is accurate, though very smart people are coming up with brilliant solutions to delay it, and doing so quite effectively, so exact predictions of when are difficult.
As an example of the inevitability, take Puerto Rico:
Puerto Rico’s power company on Thursday cut off electricity to a hospital over nearly $4 million in unpaid bills, part of a stepped-up effort by the heavily indebted agency to collect money amid the island’s economic crisis.
The Electric Power Authority said it waited for surgeries to end before pulling the plug at the Santa Rosa Hospital in the southern coastal town of Guayama…
The power company is $9 billion in debt and has been pursuing people and businesses that owe it money, joining other government agencies in a similar crackdown.
I still can’t wrap my head around this. When have we ever seen a hospital shut down by having its power killed, and no entity has intervened to stop it. And yet, that one failure is the tip of the iceberg in that system. That power company could be denied fuel any day now, if its supplier judges that with 9 billion in debt, they aren’t going to be paying. Then the lights go out. Then the fuel company gets denied fuel, because who knows how many billions it owes, and now you are back to donkeys and wagon carts. To say nothing of what that would do to manufacturing and the rest of the economy.
That is the transition from the rabbit’s free and easy attitude to resources which fosters a debt economy, and the wolf’s aggressive competitiveness, which would sooner deny the product and screw everybody, than risk supplying it and getting stiffed.
We still have yet to see one of these profligately spending nations really have to contend with shortage, because there is always a larger entity to bail them out. But this is coming to the first world, and when it hits there, there will be no bailouts. Making it worse is the present use of debt, which will keep the spending rolling fast and furious as we approach the precipice.
Without debt, the hospital above would have gradually cut its electrical consumption. It could have reprioritized spending allocations to keep the electricity flowing. It could even have raised prices to keep the lights on. By using debt, it did none of that, it amassed a massive debt it will have to service on top of expenses now, and it placed the supplier in a position of having to cut all power, all at once. That is what we will see when the debt spending catches up to us, and it will hit private and public sectors all the same.
I think a real shortage is likely because particularly hard hit will be Big Agra. Over the last few decades, agriculture has consolidated, and the majority of it has become a mass production system which is enormously dependent on debt and complex supply lines.
Rather than keep cash on hand to buy each year’s supplies and turn it into food, Big Agra, like most massive conglomerates, keeps rotating lines of credit with banks. It takes a few hundred million in loans, buys mass quantities of fertilizer, pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, licenses for genetically modified crops, and other necessities. It then gives that to farmers who use the supplies to intensively grow crops in soil which no mere mortal could ever get anything to grow in reliably. They produce food, which is sold. The money made is taken in, the bank is paid off, the profits are taken, and the process repeats.
Now normal agriculture is difficult under normal circumstances, but mass agriculture is worse. Taking large quantities of weaker domesticated organisms, designed for optimal conditions, packing them together and growing them to harvest without a pathogen sweeping through them, or a weather event wiping them out, or a mistimed application screwing everything up is hard. Even with a full supply of fertilizers, pesticides, disease treatments, and herbicides to keep the invasive weeds at bay, you can have a crop failure. Interrupt even one aspect of that, either due to a supply chain failure, or a debt issue, and you could see massive crop failures.
If the debt which already is integral to that system grows toxic, or you have bank failures, watch out. You will have a food shortage, just like this hospital was shuttered by the electric company. That entire system of mass agriculture is an amazingly fragile mechanism of complex moving parts.
Given that the savages in the cities lack both the means and the ability to raise their own food, I would expect that any trucks carrying some of the scarce food into the city would quickly be set upon by swarms of gibmedats, and very soon food deliveries into cities would be few and far between.
When you look at the whole picture, it is astonishing. Fractional banking systems which have given the depositor’s money to other people, and which won’t have nearly enough cash to cover accounts. A government that will have gone bankrupt, and which no sane person will buy bonds from, cutting the debt spending cold. A heavily consolidated economic engine wholly dependent on a banking system destined to fail. Mass private-sector joblessness just as the government lays off most of its workers, a likely food shortage, and a likely last desperate grab of any privately-owned resources the government can find, to try and stave off the calamity a little longer.
As I look at it, I feel the cognitive dissonance you do. I think what is happening is that my logic circuitry is seeing the enormity of it all, and it is tapping my amygdala, calling on it to produce a commensurate emotional backdrop to the mental picture. The amygdala however, has never seen anything like that, so what it returns as an emotion clearly doesn’t fit. The logic center senses that, and the result is a dreamy, unreal quality to the picture, and a sense of cognitive dissonance – something feels wrong. Ask me to picture Christmas morning emotionally, and I can do that. Ask me to picture a locker-room before a sporting event, and I can do that. Ask me to picture a funeral, and I can do that. But not this. The picture is just off.
I don’t think it is wrong, I just think we have yet to see how society responds when each man enters high amygdala, grows competitive, and begins to worry about whether he is being screwed more than he worries about whether he is being liked. Right now, you can always find somebody willing to cough stuff up to keep the resource glut booming. Once men become competitive, nobody does anything for free, and they will not provide services until you pay the full going rate. If you can’t pay, you will go without, and that will just be how it is. No farmer will continue to produce crops until he has the money for them, he won’t ship them on faith, and if the money isn’t there, there will be no crops. If there are no crops, there will be a bloom of man’s darker nature among many, and I expect robbery will become much more common, especially among Bernie’s more vibrant supporters. It only seems weird because we have never seen this before.
However, if you think logically that it can happen, rejoice. You are probably smart enough you will survive it.
But there will be no guarantees.
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it will be like Mad Max. that is inevitable.
it will happen fast and many will not see it coming even though it is very obvious. the west is used to having things carry on regardless of the chaos surrounding the world. Japan has stayed off a reckoning by not revaluing their market going on three decades now. this could only happen because the west hasn’t reached their state yet. when it does it will collapse.
I see many scenarios that could usher in a dramatic and total collapse besides a banking crisis.
shutdown a few refineries, damage several crucial power generation/transmission facilities. that could stop transportation and then food and water would quickly slow or stop. panic would start and it would spread to all countries.
an effective leader could prevent panic but given the climate of hate fostered by the obuma administration that is unlikely.
I’d expect that the collapse would be real. It is worth considering that various areas will be affected differently. Consider that 1/2 the food for Egypt is imported. England is probably importing like 85% of it’s food. England hasn’t been food sufficient since the 1400’s. – ie food imports to England since that time.
Other areas, more remote and less integrated into the international whole, say parts of Africa or South America – they grow enough food and don’t export any.
The US is a mixed bag with Cities and Coastal areas being importers and middle of the country being exporter
how the apocalypse ™ hits each area will depend on what its needs are. THEN throw in somewhere like China or Pakistan without enough food, and their nuclear threats will make the No. Korean’s recent tantrums seem tame. Heck maybe wars up through nuclear will happen all for food shortages.
So Mad Max doesn’t seem that far fetched. And who will rebuild? Will there be anyone left with the knowledge to do so? Will there be ‘cheap energy’ to allow it to happen?
It’s all fun and games until the EBT cards stop working!
I’d like to learn more about how this would work, the idea of a sudden complete failure of the entire economy? Normally I think about it in terms of the Federal government defaulting on its debt and that being the trigger. But you’re suggesting that bank and financial failures in general could cause sudden halt to things like food, medicine, and energy. The closest things to that I can think of was the subprime crisis, where first one industry collapsed then the toxicity spread to the general economy through the CDOs and the credit default swaps which spread the risk very widely.
I think a good example would be the collapse of the Soviet Union. The money just wasn’t there, and the machinery just dissolved.
I had a dream last night that I was working as a bank teller. I had a customer in front of me but I couldn’t access his accounts. Then I noticed that I couldn’t access ANY accounts. The entire electronic banking system had ground to a halt.
It woke me up and I didn’t sleep the rest of the night because I kept thinking about the implications of all of the sudden nobody can get cash out of the bank and nobody’s credit nor debit cards would work.
Forget about EBT cards and other government handouts. Think about what will happen if all of the sudden everyone was functionally broke. Nobody could buy food or fuel (with the exception of a few people that actually keep a bit of cash on hand … even then the disruption is going to be tremendous). The entire system would grind to a halt. Then the chaos would hit.
I think we all underestimate the fragility of this modern life.
(note to self … put some cash in the freezer just in case).
Fair question: have you cashed in your IRA, purchased some isolated rural farmland, and stocked your bunker with a twenty-year supply of food, water, ammunition, propane, medicine, and seeds?
If not, is it your amygdala that prevents you from doing so? Why, given that you’re K-selected? In theory, your arguments should have you, if not pulling out of the system entirely, devoting almost all of your non-sustenance resources to fortifying your post-civilization fiefdom.
Amygdalae fire for multiple reasons. Threat is one, but “unusual-ness” is another. Drive to work, and see a zebra standing on top of a car by the side of the road, and you notice it. That stimulus will outweigh other stimulus, even threats, to the point you could have an accident. The new is always amygdala stimulating. On top of that is threats your amygdala sees in the unknowns of taking off before it is the optimal time.
I think it comes down to the old saying that the perfect is the enemy of the good. We all see the perfect play in our mind, and the thought of losing that possibility is often amygdala-stimulating enough to keep us waiting for that perfect opportunity. That is, once you leave, your ability to optimize your circumstances ends. Most who are waiting, myself included, are doing so because though Apocalypse is coming, it is at least a few years away, and there are still resources that can be accumulated in the interim, to make the escape plan a little more secure. I suspect Trump’s election will push that even further, as real estate prices rebound, and the economy enters a minor “Trump bubble” on the back of his optimism. I doubt he will be able to stop Obama’s $20 Trillion debt, though. That ship has sailed.
Another problem for most is, though not absolutely optimal, they could make it where they are. Combined, the additional influx of money, the lack of a back against a wall, and the potential threats of the unknown all combine to stall action, and at this point, wisely, I think. As the day approaches, and things deteriorate, that will change, and so would my recommendation.
Amygdalae are about weighing the different options, and rarely is pulling up stakes, and plunging into the unknown of something totally new, entirely without countervailing benefits and detriments.
The more apparent collapse becomes, the more people will be preparing for it, which will vastly increase prices on associated goods (rural farmland, bunker materials, seeds, preserved food, portable solar or propane), and vastly decrease their availability. The very first time a news report reveals empty store shelves in a major city, dozens of millions of otherwise-completely-unprepared people could be killing each other over the last jar of expired pickles.
People in your category would probably become aware of a collapse even earlier, though, which would further increase prices and reduce availability at that point. And you’d be way far behind the preppers, who will have sniper’s nests set up to protect their farmland/bunkers by the time you’re considering leaving the city (because, realistically, your backyard garden won’t feed you for more than a couple meals).
I’m not convinced that some form of “waiting” is in any way logical, if we actually believe some form of apocalypse is coming. Are you expecting that money will still have value, such that you can still buy a flight to Switzerland if you have a hundred grand in cold hard cash?
And if not–and this is the real issue, here–why is someone who is so very aware of the possibilities (like you), and more importantly, also aware of the amygdala’s function (and how to anticipate it, and how it can cause you to have “accidents” or fail to respond optimally, etc.), still be as paralyzed as a normal office drone, in the sense of thinking, “I don’t have to stock up on food just yet”?
It sounds almost like you’re advocating predestination. E.g., “I know a collapse is coming, but I also know it’s too big to contemplate, so I know that I can’t begin preparing for it until it will probably be too late.”
Is that your essential argument? Or do you actually feel that the most intelligent prepper is one who waits until closer to the collapse to begin stockpiling tangible assets? I’d find that second argument hard to fathom, given the huge advantage that an earlier-prepper would have in securing rich rural land and a twenty-year food/ammo supply before everyone sees the need to buy them.
No, but there are different levels of preparedness. On the one side, you can buy a few extra cans each week, and make sure you have enough ammo to both defend the home and acquire food if necessary. At the other end of the spectrum, you can build a hardened bunker with underground vault and underground hydroponics lab in the middle of nowhere, and spend all your cash on long-lasting foodstuffs and ammo, and then sit around and wait. If you head to the most extreme end of the spectrum, you may sacrifice a lot, and if the apocalypse is 10 or 15 years away, as I suspect, those costly sacrifices may be unnecessary. Your ammo will be a decade or more older, as will your food, and you have bunker upkeep costs all along the way. Will your generator be as reliable ten or fifteen years down the road? What about the business opportunities you let slip by, which could have let you stock even more during the end of the glut?
It is a complex problem, with a lot of different variables to be relevance weighed, not least of which is we don’t know exactly what apocalypse will look like yet.
I believe that living in a city will be a death sentence when apocalypse hits, so I would say getting out of there as fast as possible will be a necessity. But as for a formula on how much to spend, how far away from civilization to get, what to put money in, and how soon to do it, people much smarter than me can’t agree.