Belgian and French police, who had worked intensively together since November 13, carried out a midday check on what, according to several officials, they thought was a defunct terrorist safe house. The utility bills hadn’t been paid in months, officials said, leading police to assume the apartment in the Forest district of southern Brussels stood empty. The six-person team didn’t expect to meet resistance and brought no police backup or special forces support.
When the police opened the door, they were shot at with a Kalashnikov and “a riot gun,” according to the Belgian authorities. Four officers were wounded, including a French policewoman. Heavily-armed police pursued suspects across the rooftops. One gunman was killed. Two fled the scene, evading capture even though police had sealed off the area.
This means either ISIS didn’t use any wireless devices from the house, or the counter-terror forces didn’t check to see if anything had linked into the wireless network from that GPS location, or they didn’t have the ability to check. My guess, based on the facts that at least a minor spot of surveillance, maybe with thermal-imaging or a fake meter-reader walking up wasn’t deployed on the site prior to the police, and that terrorists escaped an area which should have been blanketed in covert surveillance by the time SWAT arrived and began chasing people across rooftops, makes me think they simply didn’t check. The very fact an old safe house hadn’t been staked out at some point and activity noted, is itself a sign. This kind of sounds like how police in America in the fifties would have handled things.
I have suspected for a couple of reasons over the last year, that at least France was seriously lagging in the deployment of their surveillance state, especially the in-person element, and by a considerable measure. I suspect Belgium is as well. I also wonder just how lacking in surveillance the rest of Europe is. I’d assumed Britain, and especially London is saturated, partly a vestige of their terrorism past, and partly from the cold war, but other nations, perhaps not so much.
The problem is, you either have a free society of wolves, who adhere to K-selected virtues (like showing loyalty to their nation by not importing Muslim immigrants and the high numbers of terrorists they will conceal), or you have a society of moronic rabbits, who import every threat possible, and preach how not doing it is anathema to their virtues. If you have wolves, they don’t need surveillance or restrictive government control to keep them safe, nor would they want it. If you have moronic rabbits, unless they are guarded by the most powerful, restrictive surveillance state imaginable, you are asking for a bloodbath – and truth be told, rabbits love nothing more than a government they can fear.
If the rest of Europe outside of Britain has as weak a surveillance state as I suspect, then given the migrant flood we have seen over the last year, the fun there is just getting started. It is good, as a society blanketed in surveillance may continue to think you can import Muslims without cost.
But a society without the gross intrusion of government into everyone’s private lives will eventually realize you either keep all Muslims out to prevent the entry of terrorists, or you get used to a few hundred citizens dying and being maimed here and there in horrific attacks. As the Apocalypse begins, that will get much worse.
Europe is going to K-ify, hard.
[…] Europe Is Shy On Surveillance […]
My guess is that their weakness in terms of surveillance is limited to communities of brown skin and Arabic names. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of police and other government surveillance assets are steadily trained on whites with right leaning political beliefs.
Still applies, maybe double in Europe since they had a head start:
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/broadband-outages-knocking-out-surveillance-to-create-operational-windows/#comment-286891
The threat to Nationalist forces and patriotic dissidents from regime surveillance is way overblown, both in Europe and the U.S.
Not in the US. I tend to like guys in LE, but the cold fact is they are a weapon that fires when fedguv points them and pulls their trigger.
If you think surveillance isn’t a danger, you have no idea of what is out there, at least in densely populated areas. If a civil war went hot at some future point between Americans and say a large Muslim population (which tends to reside around densely populated areas), and a liberal POTUS sent word down to use any nationalistic activity to imprison K-strategists preferentially, it would happen to anyone involved.
Europe may be different, but in the US, there is a machine nobody would believe already built up. Don’t forget, the TIPS program was going to turn 1 in 24 citizens into actively run agents, and they were going to be preferentially recruited from jobs with access to everything denied to official fedguv by the Constitution. That was 1 million informants in the “pilot” program – the little test run to see if the real thing would work. How many government intel officers would have been required just to run all those agents? And that was just the Humint wing of it.
In-person foot and vehicle, technical, analysis, background, infiltration, aviation, even observation post manning, mechanical maintenance, and so on would be just as big, because they are as important, if not more so.
Stop and contemplate those numbers, and ponder if something much bigger than anyone would think realistic might just be out there, out of sight because that is what it was trained to do. My advice is, until you grasp what is out there, walk the straight and narrow, because they may already have a file on you.
I don’t think they do. The threat is totally exaggerated. I’m not telling our boys to be foolish, but the idea the regime is watching dissidents’ every move is absurd. There are targets galore, all the time. The System is incompetent.
It does do some dissident watching. I don’t know the full extent of it, but my impression (based on a number of cases of low level conservatives under coverage that I am aware of) is anyone who dismisses what is out there isn’t fully aware of the size of it, and doesn’t understand how it trains up on the civilian populace, before moving trainees to the real work. My guess is the training is going to happen, so as long as it is, it will get assigned to whoever the machine wants coverage of, but wouldn’t be able to get traditionally with warrants and court orders.
But that is not the threat. In areas in and around cities, the machine is much larger than you’d think. When you take city police forces like the LAPD, NYPD, and CPD, you’re looking at around twenty to thirty thousand officers per department. Now TIPS would have run 333,333 trained informants watching everything around them in NYC alone, and maybe even running video tech, maybe even as they go in houses to work service calls for cable, electrical, plumbing, etc. That’s over 10 informants for each uniformed officer, and it was the pilot program. Presumably the goal was to expand it out into the areas around the city. And it doesn’t count sworn official surveillance operating, or roving and loitering, waiting for something to do, which could easily be as big as the uniformed department or bigger with fedguv money.
Now if you had nationalistic activity in a SHTF scenario, it would probably be happening in neighborhoods which would be a focus of that machine, and the machine is documenting everything in those neighborhoods, often with extensive video, and capable of following anyone out to their final destination after the activity they engaged in.
My point is, don’t rush in if everyone is doing the crazy shit that will happen as the collapse goes down, and assume somebody is always watching.
There is a lot going on that nobody is going to be ready for.
you are likely both simultaneously correct and incorrect. Remember, in America, the primary use of fear is budget justification, and budget has nothing to do with effectiveness.
The survailence state being real or not has nothing to do with its effectiveness. Most publicly viewed cameras are actually dummy cameras, filming nothing. They exist to modify behavior only. The real cameras are very rare, and are hidden from view.
Think about this – if Snowden is a fake news story plant, and nothing he describes actually exists, then he is the most effective surveillance state program known to man. The fear of discovery modifies behavior. The government has achieved more population control because of Snowden then in spite of him.
The survalience state to the extent of data collection absolutely cannot exist. it is an impossibility of physics to query that much data and ever return anything useful. This is my professional opinion. Google me, look me up on Linkedin, and know that I am immensely qualified to make that statement.
The real fear isnt that were all being watched; the real fear is pure rabbit stew – that we are so insignificant in our empty lives, that the only threat we pose is to ourselves, that we will die leaving nothing behind, existing only to provide fertilizer to the earth.
In brief:
My educational background is ABA, my professional background is online advertising, specializing in predictive behavioral modeling, and the architecture, design, building, and maintenance of Internet and computational infrastructure designed to model and modify behavior of users in real time across multiple domains on the internet, using no PI data whatsoever. aCerno was the realization of this work. I am NDA compelled to speak no more publicly, other then to say the stupidest people I have ever met in my lifetime live in Boston, and allow you to draw your own conclusions.
Those very same Bostonian idiots own the keys to the survaliance state. Conceptionally, the government is a vampire. Riddle me this, batman: what do the movies insist a vampire must have before going into your house? And given this, why would they ever need secret courts or a warrant?
I finally got around to watching SPECTRE recently, and I thought it gave an excellent illustration of the r vs K perspectives on intelligence.
A view from a small EU country with a leftist regime.
– Nationalists are kept powerless and divided by way of laws and strong propaganda.
– No secret service exists, at least officially. Police assume that role partially.
– Military is underfunded, effectively disarmed, demoralized and dismantled.
– Police has a passable to good awareness of what goes on in the bowels of the religion of peace (RoP) community.
– Sources of the police are own informants and cooperation of foreign secret services operating here.
– Commerce has to a degree been turned over to RoP elements and foreign corporations by political and fiscal moves, it is kept that way by selective application of laws against nationals.
– Industry has been off-shored or put into incompetent hands yet to a far lesser degree than the US.
– All RoP embassies operate secret services, some are alleged to also operate goon squads. These RoP embassies cooperate EU-wide with their counterparts.
– RoP has been covertly buying itself into (covert) political influence.
– The (covert) cooperation between (((YKW))) interests and RoP is obvious.
– Police footprint is about 1 cop to 280 inhabitants on the low side by my estimate, may be lower due to corps attrition and the fact that many cops are in admin duties. Presence of women also lowers their effectiveness.
– Police has orders to “not cause trouble” to RoP or immigrants. Not following these (illegal) orders from the top of govt leads to quick dismissal. This is observable in black gangs using public transportation system to deal drugs and RoP dealing with their own security issues,for example. Also there are continuous leaks from insiders to this effect. Of course the crimes of the rapefugees are denied and never to my knowledge persecuted.
– There have been anti-riot exercises with the objective of detaining large numbers of civilians into rapid-deploy cages in secluded areas.
– There have been exercises to evacuate VIPs in case of SHTF.
– Telephone and Internet surveillance are blanketing and nation-wide. To get a specific phone or internet connection spied upon is simply a matter of any cop calling the telco and giving the order.
– Cops regularly protect leftist or RoP demos (e.g. antifa) yet discourage/prohibit or don’t protect non-leftist demos.
– Certain accounts of the govt are regularly (re-)loaded with cash. israel can dispose of this cash as it pleases.
These bits of info are part of what I’ve been able to come by over the past years or had related to me by mostly unsuspecting ppl in position to know. As the saying goes, look and you will see.
Interesting, thank you.