Case in point, the argument to not have children:
You don’t have to dislike children to see the harms done by having them. There is a moral case against procreation
In 2006, I published a book called Better Never to Have Been. I argued that coming into existence is always a serious harm. People should never, under any circumstance, procreate – a position called ‘anti-natalism’. In response, readers wrote letters of appreciation, support and, of course, there was outrage…
However, severe suffering is not a rare phenomenon, and thus anti-natalism is a view that, at the very least, should be taken seriously and considered with an open mind.
The idea of anti-natalism is not new. In Sophocles’ Oedipus at Colonus, the chorus declares that ‘not to be born is, beyond all estimation, best’. A similar idea is expressed in Ecclesiastes. In the East, both Hinduism and Buddhism have a negative view of existence (even if they do not often go so far as to oppose procreation). Various thinkers since then have also recognised how pervasive suffering is, which moved them to explicitly oppose procreation: Arthur Schopenhauer might be the most famous, but others include Peter Wessel Zapffe, Emil Cioran and Hermann Vetter…
But even if life isn’t pure suffering, coming into existence can still be sufficiently harmful to render procreation wrong. Life is simply much worse than most people think, and there are powerful drives to affirm life even when life is terrible. People might be living lives that were actually not worth starting without recognising that this is the case…
Considering matters carefully, it’s obvious that there must be more bad than good. This is because there are empirical asymmetries between the good and bad things. The worst pains, for instance, are worse than the best pleasures are good. If you doubt this, ask yourself – honestly – whether you would accept a minute of the worst tortures in exchange for a minute or two of the greatest delights. And pains tend to last longer than pleasures. Compare the fleeting nature of gustatory and sexual pleasures with the enduring character of much pain. There are chronic pains, of the lower back or joints for example, but there is no such thing as chronic pleasure. (An enduring sense of satisfaction is possible, but so is an enduring sense of dissatisfaction, and thus this comparison does not favour the preponderance of the good.)
Injury occurs quickly but recovery is slow. An embolus or projectile can fell you in an instant – and if you’re not killed, healing will be slow. Learning takes a lifetime but can be obliterated in an instant. Destruction is easier than construction.
When it comes to the satisfaction of desires, things are also stacked against us. Many desires are never satisfied. And even when they are satisfied, it is often after a long period of dissatisfaction. Nor does satisfaction last, for the satisfaction of a desire leads to a new desire – which itself needs to be satisfied some time in the future. When one can fulfil one’s more basic desires, such as hunger, on a regular basis, higher-level desires arise. There is a treadmill and an escalator of desire.
In other words, life is a state of continual striving. We have to expend effort to ward off unpleasantness – for example, to prevent pain, assuage thirst, and minimise frustration. In the absence of our strivings, the unpleasantness comes all too easily, for that is the default.
Listen to it. You can never be satisfied. Get satisfaction and you immediately want more satisfaction. The world is filled with unbearable difficulty and harshness. You have to strive, which is awful. Even the article begins with “You don’t have to dislike children to see the harms done by having them.” You may not, but it certainly helps. When he says that, he is trying to speak to the people who are not like him, and who might like children.
And what does this all justify? Using birth control and abortion so you don’t have to raise children. The morals derive directly from the reproductive strategy’s urges. It feels right, and they believe therefore it is right.
It is a deep article, originating from the very well spring of the r-selected psychology deep within the subconscious of the human rabbit. Reading it and trying to visualize yourself producing those words is a dark journey. I came away from it feeling like a neurotic, unsatisfiable, selfish addict, unable to scratch a perpetual itch for a world that will never be. I came away from it depressed and unhappy, in a way that I could see motivating me to seek a world of hedonism to medicate the hurt.
But what would make the author feel being born was worthwhile? Being born into perfect health, with total satisfaction instantly, and no danger, or hurt, or need to strive, or suffer, and an endless stream od easily acquired, never-ending pleasure. That is the environment he is designed for.
Tell others about r/K Theory, because our morals say something different
Lol, have we reached peak cuckoldry yet? My god, what a fucking shit head.
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lol Rabbits going full Spengler here.
Spengler’s Universal Law #18:
Maybe we would be better off if we never had been born, but who has such luck? Not one in a thousand.
Read this guy’s article and his belief that existence is suffering, then lookup Jordan Peterson’s explanation of mass killers on youtube and despair.
The inverse of Orthodox Christianity.
It’s just such a horrible thing, to not have children. So many people in the West would rather indulge themselves than ever care for a life they’ve brought into this amazing, and ultimately good world. It is an amazing power as well, to create life. Too many would rather go jet setting, prattle and pontificate, annoy others and generally just be selfish. It’s the ultimate sign of Narcissism, in my opinion. After all, if you can’t be bothered to have and raise children, are you really loyal to your group? Can you really and truly care about the future? I would say no, you are posing. The chain of life, fought for over eons, ends because a person born into a time of plenty would rather not give up some of their comfort and relative luxury. So many say “we don’t have enough for kids!”, I call false, its selfishness. Seek the life of ease, comfort and security and it will evade you and your posterity. Seek the challenge, the adventure, the hard work and sacrifice and the good can come to you and your part in the tree of life. That’s the only way to be truly happy.
I sincerely wish people like that author would simply kill themselves (preferably via pills+alcohol in a place where their corpses won’t pollute any property or water, and pose no threat or inconvenience to others.)
Walk your own talk. The rest of us actually are quite happy and you’re just breathing our air.
It’s an incomplete picture without the spiritual component. Even without it, even with all of these temporal earthly sufferings, so far what I’ve experienced in my life is better, SO MUCH BETTER, than non-existence. That assuming jackass doesn’t speak for me.
If he actually believed that bullshit he’d off himself. But based on what Ive read here, I can see that what he is really doing is a two peonged strategy. First he is encouraging his male competiton to either kill themselves off to create more free resources, or at the least be doscouraged from competing as hard.
The second progpng of the strategy is to gain followers, by setting himself forward in this manner, he will he aided by like-minded sneaky fuckers who see him as useful, and he will be followed by the broken and confused who hipe he can take their responsibility for living off of their hands.
If he was in my country, he would be driven out or killed. Do yourselves a favor and get rid of him before he causes more damage, and of course, by “get rid of him” I am not advocating in any way shape or form anything illegal.
Check out the “study” by Richard Eibach and Steven Mock on how parents only rationalize their happiness with children and are actually delusional.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/03/04/why-having-kids-is-foolish/
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/the-bottom-line-of-raising-kids-parents-rationalize-the-economic-cost-of-children-by-exaggerating-their-parental-joy.html
Researchers as well journalists, talking about children as if they’re objects, annoying malinvestments.
These narcissist antinatalists are the nail in the coffin for me, that humans are not a heterogeneous species. These r-bonobos are not the same species as us.
Deus Vult, comrades
You quote antinatlists fairly, even quoting solon! Congrats. You’re more rigorous than the average breeder. And yet….the comment section is a pitiful shit-show of mutual appreciation by a bunch of ‘tough guys’. Perhaps hedonism is deegenerate, but if you abandon negative utilitarianism you inevitably fetishise suffering a la Nietzche, Plenipotentiary Unicorn-Tamer to His Majesty the….Protoplasm? Doesn’t the redundancy of eternal replication dampen your elan?
“But what would make the author feel being born was worthwhile?”
See this? You’re not as bad as the knuckle-draggers grunting away with literally patellar responses-kill myself? You don’t say!-but you’re a bit of a philistine. Allow me to shatter your shitter; The most important question in the world is whether or not anything is important. Even Camus, the Grand Jinglenuts of existentialism-he styled it as ‘Absurdism’, for godsakes man-understood this as an implicit predicate.
In his book “the Myth of Sisyphus” Camus says that we don’t kill ourselves because we get used to life before we start thinking about our existence
Thomas Ligotti’s answer to this is still not only the best one but the most simple: because there’s no obligation for anyone, even pessimists, to commit suicide.
And there’s no good enough method available to me (Meme legalisation of Barbituates akin to MariJ, shitlords)
Besides, your kids will grow up surrounded by degenerates and slimigrants. Truly a fate worse than nonexistence.
“It is, perhaps, the strongest mark of the divinity of man that he talks of this world as ‘a strange world,’ though he has seen no other.”
—Chesterton
I used to believe in spiritual things too, read all kinds of spiritual books, you name it, but eventually you realize that these are just things to distract ourselves from the pathetic dog-eat-dog world that we live in, and nothing more.
I’m not sure I consider myself an atheist, because the idea of nothing happening after we die sounds too good and easy to be true, but I’m definitely realizing that most spirituality and religion is just so we can feel better about our existence